Bobby Dassey
Bobby Dassey at Steven Avery's trial in February 2007
Bobby Dassey circa 2015
Bobby Dassey is one of Barb Tadych's sons and is the brother of Brendan Dassey who was convicted of Teresa Halbach's murder, as was Bobby's and Brendan's Uncle, Steven Avery (in a separate trial). Bobby was the main witness for the prosecution at Steven Avery's trial in 2007.
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Bobby Dassey made more than one statement to law enforcement, he also testified at Steven Avery's trial. However, Bobby also apparently made contradicting comments to family members and Steven Avery's initial lawyer (public defender Erik Loy).
Bobby was reinterviewed in 2017 by law enforcement and he stuck to his earlier statements to them, which in turn again contradict comments he made to family members.
Listed below are Bobby's statements in chronological order (click on the boxes below to open each pdf file (there may be audio or video clips too). There are also other people's statements that contradict or support what Bobby told law enforcement and finally a list of questions that Bobby should answer in order to help Steven and/or Brendan's case.
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Steven Avery is currently (2022) legally represented by Kathleen Zellner.
Brendan Dassey is currently (2022) legally represented by Laura Nirider.
The interview report above does not fully match the audio recording of the interview, but Wisconsin DOJ won't release the audio file through FOIA.
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Below is a partial transcription of the audio copy from John Ferak's book, 'Wrecking Crew', he was allowed to listen to Kathleen Zellner's audio file copy.
The following three links are all regarding the same interview of Bobby Dassey by law enforcement on November 17th, 2017. There is the full audio file of the recorded interview, there is also an unofficial transcript of the full audio file and finally there is law enforcement's summary report of the interview.
Where the question originates from
*this column tells you which document/audio or video file inspired the question. The document or other type of file will be in the chronological links above, but there may also be additional files linked here below
Questions for Bobby Dassey to answer
*all questions are split into numbers, there may be multiple questions under one number,those questions have been further split into letters; such as Question 1 a) and b)
Bobby Dassey November 5th, 2005, interview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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1) In your first interview on November 5th, 2005. Dedering says that you told him that October 31st was the first time you had ever seen Teresa Halbach, but you also say it is your understanding she had been to the property 4 or 5 times previously.
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If this comment is accurate, how did you know it was the same person that had been 4 or 5 times previously, who told you and when?
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Steven Avery affidavit (link here) November 14th, 2017. Numbered paragraph 2.
2) Your uncle Steven Avery says that on the day after each of Teresa Halbach's previous visits to the property (the appointments prior to October 31st 2005) you would always say to him "I see that your girlfriend was over yesterday" (or similar words to that effect).
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a) Is what Steven says correct, if it is not, why do you think he believes you said that to him?
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b) If it is not true, did you mention Teresa's previous visits to the salvage yard to Steven or anyone else at all, if you did, what did you actually say about Teresa?
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Bobby Dassey November 5th, 2005, interview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Affidavit of Gary Hunt, computer expert hired by Kathleen Zellner (link here).
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3) In your first interview on November 5th, 2005. Dedering says you told him that you woke up between 14:00 and 14:30 on October 31st (between 14:15 and 14:30 in your handwritten part of the statement using your words) yet the computer, which was in your bedroom (this proven by a law enforcement video of your your Mother's property, including your bedroom) was used at 6:05 a.m., 6:28 a.m., 6:31 a.m., 7:00 a.m., 9:33 a.m., 10:09 a.m., 13:08 p.m. and 13:51 p.m.
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Everyone else was either getting ready for and then out for school or work, so only you could have used the computer.
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Why did you say you were asleep when you clearly awake some of the time and were in fact using the computer?
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Steven Avery affidavit on June 29th, 2018 (link here)
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4) Steven Avery says that he spoke to you on the phone (confirmed by his call records) at 8:39 a.m. He says that during this call he told you to get the battery charged in the van because a photographer was coming to take pictures of it.
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Steven says that later that morning, around 11:00 a.m. he called round to your Mom's trailer and spoke to you again about charging the battery in the van, he goes on to say he believes that you both did try and charge the battery in the van at that time.
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Given that the phone records and computer records confirm you were definitely awake at these times;
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a) Can you confirm the 8:39 a.m. call was about charging the van battery?
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b) Can you confirm you and Steven tried to charge the battery at around 11:00 a.m.?
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Bobby Dassey November 5th, 2005, interview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above).
5) In your first interview on November 5th, 2005, after Investigator Dedering told you that Steven Avery had told law enforcement that you saw Teresa last, Dedering asked you why Steven would say this if it was not true and you replied;
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"He'd stab ya in the back." and that Steven had done that to you before over "little stuff."
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Why did you think Steven was trying to stab you in the back by saying you saw Teresa after he did, if that is what Steven genuinely thought, was he not just being truthful in his opinion?
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Bobby Dassey November 5th 2005 interview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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6) According to Investigator Dedering, you told him on November 5th, 2005, that you observed Teresa walking towards the residence of Steven Avery on October 31st, "towards the porch". Investigator Dedering also says you told him the following (among other things);
"She got done with that & started to walk toward Steven's house. I grabbed my bow, got into my Blazer, and left. I didn't see the lady who took the pictures when I left. The S.U.V, a teal colored, possibly a Honda, was there when I left to go hunting."
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Did you tell Investigator Dedering the truth when you said that you saw Teresa walk towards Steven's porch and that when you left to go hunting her vehicle was still there?
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Bobby Dassey November 9th 2005 interview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Photos of scratches on Bobby Dassey's back and near groin area (link here).
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Affidavit of Kathleen Zellner's medical expert, Larry Blum (link here)
7) You were interviewed by law enforcement again on November 9th, 2005. This was when you were also required to give fingerprints, palm prints and a DNA sample to them and undergo a brief medical examination for any scratches or marks on your body, this took place at Aurora Medical Center. It was observed by the nurse and law enforcement that you had scratches on your back. You told law enforcement that the scratches were from your puppy, that you had owned around a week (the puppy would have been aged around 9 weeks then). The photos show at least one scratch towards the groin area, which is not mentioned in the interview report. Photos of those scratches can be found on this link.
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Kathleen Zellner's expert (a forensic pathologist) says in an affidavit that those scratches are inconsistent with scratches from a dog's paw and more consistent with scratches from human fingernails.
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a) Do you stand by your statement that the scratches on your back are from your puppy jumping on your back as you bent down?
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b) Can you also explain the scratch (at least one) that is in an area towards your groin, was this also done by the puppy and when?
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Law enforcement interview with Bryan Dassey on November 6th, 2005 (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Bryan Dassey affidavit to Kathleen Zellner on 16th October, 2017
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8) Your brother Bryan told law enforcement on November 6th, 2005, that he had heard from his mother and from Steven that Teresa had only been at the property for around 5 minutes to photo the van and had then left. Bryan then goes on to say that law enforcement should speak to you (brother Bobby) because you saw Teresa leave the property.
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Later in October 2017 Bryan gave an affidavit to Kathleen Zellner and he said (among other things);
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I distinctly remember Bobby telling me, "Steven could not have killed her because I saw her leave the property on October 31, 2005"
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In November 2005, did you tell your brother Bryan, or anyone else that you saw Teresa leave the property?
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Bobby Dassey's November 2005 interviews with law enforcement, February 2006 interview with law enforcement and Bobby Dassey trial testimony in 2007 (links included in the chronological list of links above).
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9) In your early interviews with law enforcement in November 2005, you do not mention seeing a fire at all on Monday October 31st 2005, you do say that Steven may have had a fire on Tuesday or Wednesday (which would have been November 1st or 2nd).
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In your interview with law enforcement on February 27th, 2006, according to Investigator Dedering you changed your mind and said that when you were leaving for work at approximately 21:30 p.m. on October 31st, you noticed that Steven was having a bonfire. You estimated that the flames were five to six feet in height. You stated that it was a good-sized fire.
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Yet at trial in February 2007 you testified to not even looking over towards Steven's property when you left to go to work.
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Were you put under pressure by law enforcement or anyone else to say that you saw a large sized fire on Steven's property on October 31st, 2005?
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Bobby Dassey interview with lawyer Erik Loy on November 23rd, 2005 (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Bobby Dassey November 5th 2005 interview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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10) You spoke to Steven Avery's first lawyer on November 23rd, 2005. This lawyer was a public defender lawyer by the name of Erik Loy.
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Erik Loy states that you told him (among other things);
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"I asked Bobby if he could tell me what he did on October 31, 2005. Bobby stated he works third shift and he got home about 6:30 a.m. Bobby went to bed and slept until about 2:30 p.m. When he woke up he did see a vehicle parked out in front of their house, near the tree. The girl, Teresa, was taking photos of the van that was for sale. Bobby jumped in the shower. When Bobby got out of the shower he looked outside and saw Steve walking toward Steve's trailer. Bobby grabbed his bow case and left. Bobby thought he left the house about 3:00 p.m. Bobby said that the girl's vehicle was still parked out in front as he drove off down the road."
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a) In your earlier interviews with law enforcement you told them you were already awake and you saw Teresa arrive, yet you told Erik Loy that Teresa was already there when you woke up, which of these is correct?
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b) You mentioned to Erik Loy that you took a shower while Teresa was taking photos of the van and then got ready to go hunting. In your first interview with law enforcement on November 5th, 2005, you wrote out a small statement yourself. In it you say took a shower and got ready to go hunting and then noticed Teresa Halbach coming down the driveway. Both of these cannot be true as they clearly contradict each other, so did you have a shower and get dressed before you saw Teresa for the first time that day or after you saw her for the first time that day?
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c) In your earlier interviews with law enforcement you told them you saw Teresa (you didn't see Steven at all) walk towards Steven's trailer (towards the porch), however you told Erik Loy you saw Steven (no mention of Teresa) walk towards his trailer. Which of these is correct, did you see only Teresa or only Steven or both of them?
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Bobby Dassey testimony at Steven Avery's trial in February 2007 (links included in the chronological list of links above).
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11) You testified at Steven Avery's trial in February 2007. Among other things, you testified that you saw Teresa Halbach taking photo's of your Mom's van, you say you did not see Steven Avery. You also say before you went to take a shower you saw Teresa "walking over to Steven's trailer", When you are asked how close Teresa got to Steven's door, before you stopped watching,
you reply; "Maybe 25 yards".
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Do you stand by your trial testimony regarding seeing Teresa walking towards Steven's trailer and that she was maybe 25 yards away, from his door, as accurate and truthful?
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Steven Avery recorded prison call with his sister Barb Tadych on October 24th, 2017 (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Bryan Dassey October 16th, 2017 affidavit to Kathleen Zellner (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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12) There was a recorded prison call on October 24th, 2017, between your mother Barb and your Uncle, Steven Avery (Scott Tadych was also with Barb). The transcript of the call is included in the list of links at the top of this page. During the call Steven says that you had told people that Teresa had left (meaning you saw her leave the property on October 31st, 2005). Here is part of the conversation;
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Steven: "And he said she left."
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Scott: "That's right."
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Barb: "Yeah. She left."
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Both your mother Barb and her husband Scott seem to confirm that you had told them that you saw Teresa leave the property on October 31st, 2005. I remind you of question 8 (further up) where it mentions your brother Bryan told law enforcement on November 6th, 2005 and again in October 2017 that he remembers you telling him that you saw Teresa leave the property.
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Why are Bryan, Barb and Scott all under the impression that you have said that you saw Teresa leave the property, are they all mistaken?
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Mike Osmunson November 14th, 2005 interview with law enforcement (link)
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13) Your friend Mike Osmunson was interviewed by law enforcement on November 14th, 2005 (link to statement). Clearly Mike was either mistaken or lying about the dates because he claims the conversation took place on November 10th, 2005 (a Thursday). Since Steven Avery was arrested and jailed on November 9th, it would be impossible for the conversation to have taken place on the 10th.
Mike says he only found out Teresa was missing on the Tuesday prior to that, which would actually be November 1st, 2005, if you are correct when you say the 'joke' conversation took place on November 3rd, 2005. If Mike was telling the truth when he said the Tuesday prior was when he first learned that Teresa was missing, then he could only have meant Tuesday November 1st, 2005.
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Teresa Halbach was not officially reported missing to the police until November 3rd, 2005. The only way Mike Osmunson could have learned she was missing on November 1st was if knew or heard what had happened to her prior to her being reported missing.
What do you have to say regarding this?
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Bobby Dassey testimony at Steven Avery's trial in 2007 (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Bobby Dassey interview with law enforcement November17th, 2017 (link included in the chronological list of links above).
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Barb Tadych interview with law enforcement November 6th, 2005 (link here)
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Manitowoc Sheriff's dispatch log report and Bobby Dassey phone record, November 4th, 2005 (link here)
14) There are several questions to ask you regarding your interview with law enforcement on November 17th, 2017. The first question is regarding what you said in this interview about the joke between Mike Osmunson, Steven Avery and yourself which you claim took place on November 3rd, 2005.
At Steven Avery's trial in February 2007, you testified that the conversation between
Mike Osmunson, Steven Avery and yourself took place on Thursday November 3rd, 2005. You say in your testimony that you and Mike had just arrived back to your Mom's property on November 3rd and were in your garage (Dassey garage) when Steven came over and had a conversation with you both. You claim this conversation took place around 18:30 to 19:00 p.m. and that the road kill Deer that you had claimed earlier (but did not tag until November 4th) was hanging in your garage. At trial, during cross examination by Steven's lawyer Dean Strang, the following conversation takes place;
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Strang: "You remember that the conversation with Mike happened after the news of
Teresa Halbach's disappearance had been on TV?"
You: "Yes."
Strang: "That you are certain of?"
You: "Yes, it was that day."
Strang: "After it was on TV?"
You: "Yes."
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So at Steven Avery's trial in February 2007 you clearly testify that the conversation and 'body' joke between Mike Osmunson, Steven Avery and yourself took place on November 3rd, 2005 and it took place after you had seen the TV reports of Teresa Halbach being declared missing.
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When you were interviewed by law enforcement (Officer Wisch and Officer Dedering) on November 17th, 2017 you state the following regarding the conversation and the 'body' joke.
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You: "One day I picked up a roadkill and my, my buddy Mike and I were skinning it out and I believe this was the same day that the news, that it was on the news that Teresa went missing. Steven walked over and at that time I thought that he was joking around asked if we wanted to help get rid of a body."
Wisch: "He said “do you want to help get rid of the body”? Or a body?"
You: "A body."
Wisch: "What did he say?"
You: "I believe it was a body."
Wisch: "Do you want to help get rid of a body? What day was that?"
You: "Uh see. I honestly don’t remember what day she went missing. That day reported
her missing."
Dedering: "Did that conversation? When did that conversation take place? Was it
after you had the deer tagged or same day the deer tagged?"
You: "It’s the same day. We just got done hanging it up and we were starting to skin it out.
So it was whatever day she went missing. I honest don’t remember."
Wisch: "So by you using the same day that she went missing was the same day what
the media starting talking?"
You: "Yeah the media started talking and uh it was on the news and stuff."
Dedering: "Okay. It was the same day you picked up the roadkill deer."
You: "Yes."
Dedering: "Okay."
Wisch: "And where was this being skinned?"
You: "In our garage"
Wisch: "Not Steven’s."
You: "No"
Wisch: "Your garage."
You: "Our garage. Our garage. Yep."
Wisch: "Yep. So you’re guessing and a guess is fine. November 3rdish? What time."
You: "Yep. It was uh afternoon."
Wisch: "Was it on a weekend? Weekday?"
You: "I don’t even remember....what day it was."
Wisch: "Okay. You were there with your buddy Mike you said?"
You: "Yep."
Wisch: "So Steven came in alone?"
You: "Yep".
Wisch: "Okay. And what was your response when he said that to you?"
You: "We told him no."
Wisch: "Did you laugh like haha?"
You: Y"es. That’s why I thought it was a joke."
Wisch: "Okay".
You: "And I don’t know why someone would joke about that. You know."
Wisch: "Can I ask you again about um, so after the laughing like it was a joke did he stay
there looking in and help you skin it? Or was it uh?"
You: "No."
Wisch: "Turn right around and walked out."
You: "He turned right around and he walked out."
Wisch: "Okay. So you think he came in there for like the shock factor to get a laugh out
of somebody?"
You: "I think so yeah. That’s kinda Steven’ personality you know. He’s one of them type of
guys that only really cares about himself."
Wisch: "When he said it had you already heard about it on the news? So you were like that’s
not funny."
You: "No. No."
Wisch: "This was just prior."
You: "This was just prior. Yeah. This was just prior. It was at night that we saw it on the news."
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Now onto the questions;
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a) In this November 17th, 2017, interview you say the conversation and 'body' joke took place the same day you found out Teresa was missing through the media, you think this was November 3rd. But you also say the conversation and 'body' joke was the same day you had the Deer tagged. At trial you say you got the roadkill Deer on November 3rd but did not get it tagged until the morning of November 4th. If the conversation took place the first day Teresa was reported missing by the media then it would have to be November 3rd. If the conversation took place you got the Deer tagged, then it would be November 4th. In light of the conflicting information above and having time to consider everything, what day do you say the conversation must have taken place?
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b) At trial in 2007, when Steven's lawyer Dean Strang asks you if the conversation and 'body' joke took place after the news of Teresa had been on TV, you reply "Yes". However at the end of the 2017 conversation (above) you seem to be saying the conversation took place "just prior" and it was that night you saw it (Teresa being missing) on the news. Can you explain why you changed your story from 2007 when you say the conversation was after you heard about Teresa's disappearance on the news to saying it was before in 2017?
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c) Steven Avery says in an affidavit dated 29th June, 2018, that he reviewed your interview with law enforcement on November 17th, 2017. He says you misrepresented the conversation and 'body' joke between him, Mike Osmunson and yourself. Steven Avery recalls the conversation taking place on November 4th, 2005, not November 3rd. Steven also says the conversation did not take place in the Dassey garage. Steven says that you initiated the conversation and you did so by asking Steven if he had Ms. Halbach hidden somewhere, Steven says he thought you were joking and replied "under my bed". Whose recollection of who started the conversation and what was said is correct, Steven Avery's or yours or neither?
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d) Your mother Barb was interviewed by law enforcement on November 6th, 2005. She was asked about the Deer hanging in her garage. Barb states that the roadkill Deer happened on November 3rd, 2005. She says you contacted Manitowoc Sheriff's to get permission to get a tag, she was with you when you gutted the Deer at the roadside and was still with you when you went to tag the Deer, the same night - November 3rd. This link show two images, one is a Manitowoc Sheriff's dispatch call log, it details a Deer being struck. The second image is one line of your phone records (part of evidence in Steven's case), the call is to Manitowoc Sheriff's Department, by you. The dispatch log shows the Deer was struck on November 4th, your phone call to Manitowoc Sheriff's was also November 4th. You claim that the roadkill Deer happened November 3rd and you got it tagged during the day on November 4th. Clearly the dispatch log and your own phone records cast major doubt on this. How do you explain this obvious discrepancy?
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Bobby Dassey November 17th, 2017, reinterview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above)
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Steven Avery affidavit on June 29th, 2018 (link here)
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15) Steven Avery says that when you were reinterviewed by law enforcement on November 17th, 2017, that you misrepresented in your map the location where Teresa Halbach's vehicle was parked when she was taking photos of the van. Steven also says that in fact Teresa's vehicle was parked in such a position that the van would would have obstructed at least partially your view of what Teresa was doing and you would not have been able to see her walk towards his trailer.
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a) Who is correct about this, you or Steven and why?
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Steven also says that Scott Tadych was at your Mom's trailer on October 31st, 2005, when only you were home, from at least around noon until around 12:25 p.m.
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b) Is this correct and if it is, why did you not tell law enforcement this or testify to this at trial?
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Bobby Dassey November 17th, 2017, reinterview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above)
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Barb Tadych post on Facebook, on or around October 30th, 2017 (link here)
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16) In your November 17th, 2017 interview, you say that you saw Teresa walking towards Steven's trailer and that's it. You didn't see Steven and you also claim when you leave to go hunting that Teresa's vehicle is still there. In the recorded prison call between your mother Barb and
Steven Avery on October 24th, 2017, Barb and her husband Scott seem to say that you have previously told them or someone else that you saw Teresa leave leave the property on October 31st, 2005 (see questions 8 and 12 above).
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This link shows a Facebook post by your mother, Barb Tadych. The post was made on or around October 30th, 2017, in response to people's comments after the recorded prison call on October 24th, 2017. Barb says that she has just spoken to you and you told her that you saw Teresa arrive (pull in) but that was it because you left to go hunting. When Barb is asked if you saw Teresa walk towards Steven's home, she replies "No".
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Did you tell your mother in October 2017 that you only saw Teresa pull in and that you did not see her walk towards Steven's trailer, if you did say that, then why did you change your story just a few weeks later when you spoke to law enforcement on November 17th?
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Bobby Dassey November 17th, 2017, reinterview with law enforcement (link included in the chronological list of links above)
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17) During your November 2017 interview you make the following comment;
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"Yeah I didn’t watch the Netflix thing because you know for me I lived it. So I didn’t have to watch it. You know. You know for me I’m at the point where you know Zellner can blame me all she wants. Deep down inside I know I didn’t do it. You know."
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Your choice of words; "deep down inside", is strange, if you're innocent then most people would just say "I know I'm innocent". Why do you need to look deep down inside yourself to justify your innocence?
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18) On April 10th, 2021, a man called Thomas Sowinski provided a legal affidavit to
Kathleen Zellner, Mr Sowinski delivered papers back in 2005, including to the Avery Salvage Yard and addresses on Avery Road. He states in his affidavit that he delivered papers on the morning of November 5th, 2005, in the very early hours. He also says that he saw two people pushing a Toyota RAV4 on Avery Road, the RAV4 had no lights on. He describes one individual as being aged in his 50's or early 60's, large framed, around 6 feet tall and he had a long grey beard. Mr Sowinski says the other individual was you. He says the other man hid, but that you were in his headlights and even tried to block him coming past when he turned his vehicle round to come back past.
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Did Mr Sowinski see you pushing a Toyota RAV4 on Avery Road, if he did see that, whose RAV4 was it and why were you pushing it on Avery Road?
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19) The Dassey computer, that has been mentioned in court filings by Kathleen Zellner and that was seized by law enforcement in 2006 and again in 2017; was kept in your room (proven by law enforcement video) and was mainly used by you (most internet searches were when everyone else was at school or work).
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Some of the more disturbing search terms, which were paedophilic in nature and illegal, were the following;
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11 year old sex, 15 year old girl naked, cute kid naked, fuck preteen girl, kid slut, kid sluts, pre teen sluts, pree teens naked, preteen boobs, preteen busty, pre-teen busty, preteen girl model naked,
preteen girl naked, preteen naked, preteen pussy, preteen sex, preteen sluts, pre-teen girls naked, preteens naked, pre-teens naked, pre-teens nakedirl, young 13 girl nude, young 13 year old girl nude, young 13 year old naked, young 13 yr old naked,
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Attorney Kathleen Zellner found various instant messaging chats, some where you identify yourself by name and then persuade 14 & 15 year old girls to pose on webcam in sexually explicit positions.
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Do you have anything to say regarding the internet searches on the computer, we are not asking you to confess to any crime, just explain some of the searches that took place back in 2005 and 2006?
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20) Your mother Barb has said that nobody realises the pressure the family were under, but she has not explained what she meant by describing what the pressure was.
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a) Have you ever been promised anything by anyone (past or present) in Wisconsin law enforcement or the Wisconsin Department Of Justice to say certain things regarding Teresa Halbach's murder?
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b) Have you ever been threatened/blackmailed by anyone (past or present) in Wisconsin law enforcement or the Wisconsin Department Of Justice to say certain things regarding Teresa Halbach's murder?
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21) In light of all the previous questions to you and all the documents linked on this website and elsewhere;
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a) Did law enforcement (any agency) or the prosecution team at Steven Avery's trial, ever ask you to say something that was not true?
b) Did law enforcement (any agency) or the prosecution team at Steven Avery's trial ever ask you to hide a document (whether it was accurate or not), or edit/create a document that was not accurate?
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c) Do you have anything further to add about anything you said, or did, in connection with the disappearance and murder of Teresa Halbach and the convictions of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey?
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